Review of Finnair flight Helsinki Osaka in Economy

Airline Finnair
Flight AY77
Class Economy
Seat 46L
Aircraft Airbus A330-300
Flight time 09:35
Take-off 11 Nov 17, 17:25
Arrival at 12 Nov 17, 10:00
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marathon
By GOLD 1562
Published on 8th March 2018
This is the second leg of this trip to Japan:

CDG – HEL : AY1574 (A320)
HEL - KIX : AY077 (A330-300) You are here
KIX – HEL : AY078 (A330-300)
HEL - CDG : AY1577 (A319)

This may not be the most glamorous exclusivity on this website, but this is the first report on a HEL-KIX flight, in any class of travel. The report of the previous flight was the first one in English on the CDG-HEL route, an even less glamorous exclusivity, and it ended with the call just before boarding this flight.
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In my comparison between AF and AY (among other options), I had included a modest 6 EUR supplement each for choosing our seats in this A330. Nine months in advance, there was ample choice.
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One of clinching factors was precisely the 2-4-2 configuration of Finnair’s A330, to be compared with the sardine packing 3-4-3 layout of an AF 777, and therefore a duo seat for us, with an aisle seat for my wife who wants to be able to move around, next to a window seat for the window addict that I am, especially when flying over land.
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An apple green cushion and a fleece blanket were on each seat; the window was correctly aligned at our row.
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Space in the overhead bins was not going to be a problem for us because our carry-on luggage was limited to two small daypacks which would fit under the seats in front of us.
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The carpet was clean under the seats and in the aisle too.
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Bad news : there was an IFE box at my feet.
Good news : the miniaturization of electronics reached this aircraft, which resulted in a slim box
Bad news : the programs turned out to be even slimmer than this box.
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The IFE has a touch screen, but you had to touch it hard to convince it to react
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The remote control was in the armrest, mercifully protected by a cover.
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The seat pitch was paradoxically less generous than in the A320 of the CDG-HEL flight.
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Removing the magazines recovered only 3 cm additional space for the legs, resulting in still 5 cm less than in the A320.
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The plastic wrapping forgotten in the bottom of the seat pocket would not change anything in that matter.
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The seat width was not very generous either.
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The armrest (photographed here when deplaning) does not fold up any further than that, which is a little bit of nuisance for moving around. It seems to me that it could have been easily designed so that it could be flush with the seat (like in AF’s A32x, for instance.
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The ventilation grilles could be closed, unlike other aircraft where ice-cold air sometimes pours on hapless passengers.
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My wife always finds it somewhat disparaging that a woman should be one-legged, or conversely that decency mandates that she keeps her legs tightly together.
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The safety card, both sides
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Standard meals are offered on long haul flights, on the contrary of European flights, so only the right hand side of this BOB menu was applicable.
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But not the restriction in small type, for a dozen of destinations which do not include KIX.
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Not only it was already night in HEL, but it was raining, which meant that plane spotting would be limited.
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The JAL 787 pushed back before us
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Our turn to push back, and this is my excuse for the absence of planes spotting while taxiing
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Safety demonstration on the IFE screens
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The interchange between Expressways E75 and E18, the latter being completely hidden by the wing. In a different season, and therefore in daytime, we would have had a perfect view of Helsinki Malmi Airport, far right of Expressway E75. I hardly saw anything more of Finland because the cloud ceiling was very low.
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The IFE screen on the partition ahead of the second Economy cabin displays the moving map.
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I don’t quite see the point in providing the time in the time zone of the current location of the plane, but why not.
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Winglet in the night
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Finnair corporate advertising for its business class
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Distribution of a small oshibori
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It was already too late for this woman who had already crashed to sleep
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The music offering is skeletal : it fits in hardly more than two screens
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No kidding, not even one classical music recording? Sibelius must be turning over in his grave.
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I did not try these headphones:
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They were to be connected there:
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The meal was served this way, with lots of smiles (like in all interactions with the passengers)
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This was the whole set after unwrapping.
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Meatballs with cream sauce : not much of a change from Sweden for me.
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The appetizer (蕎麦 soba) was conversely typically Japanese.
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The seasoning came from there.
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I reached my limits there because Finnish is much more difficult than Japanese, IMO. There was something about lactose on the right, but only after this flight did my friend Google Translate tell me that it meant “without lactose”.
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The cup on the right was in fact a highly tasteless variety of processed cheese. Finland’s dairy industry lost an opportunity to score a point there.
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My wife often chooses a hot dish different from mine, so that we can exchange them if one is unpalatable to one of us, but acceptable to the other, which was the case this time.
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The Marathons are « very black » chocolate lovers : this white chocolate had not chance of winning Finnair a bonus point.
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All this was edible, in sufficient quantity, but also very disappointing from the taste point of view (apart from the soba, but that is part of my Japanese culture). In particular, my wife did not like the beef with rice and I found the meatball with mashed potatoes especially tasteless. In short, I was not convinced by the future of some Finnish children in a career in an air catering company.
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I drank apple juice (and later coffee) with that.
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To the health of my readers !
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The last step in the game was to compact the rubbish. To make things more interesting, I added the hot meal plate of my wife, which was a different type and did not stack well with the other one.
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That was an easy challenge though, and this was the result:
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All these compacted wrappings fit in the seat pocket without messing it.
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The seats did not recline a lot, but nevertheless to much if you try to use your laptop behind a reclined seat. It was time to take some rest, anyway.
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The situation degraded much later into the flight, and the conversation with a FA in the galley kept circling in my mind :

The cabin is new, but it is an old aircraft. I was against leaving so quickly after the hydraulic piping was repaired; I don’t know if it will hold.

And now, there we were in a continuously swerving and bouncing aircraft in the descent. The engine power kept changing: it was obvious that the pilots had lost the rudder and were struggling to control the trajectory with the differential power of the engines.

The FA whispered to me during the cabin check before landing : In a situation like this, it’s everybody… or nobody
But I had no doubt: I would survive to post THE flight report of my career.

There was complete silence in the cabin – a tribute to the amazing Japanese composure when the situation seems hopeless.

And then the edge of a forest appeared: the plane swerved once more and just made it above the tree line, and there appeared (“like in a fairy tale”, my wife whispered) the grass of a clearing, or rather the edge of an airport. But the landing gear hadn’t dropped: the pilots were going for a belly landing! I fumbled to reach my camera – how could I not already have it in hand in such a situation? I laid my hand on my spare camera, switched it on, but in this kind of circumstance, you can push the wrong button and I switched it off by mistake. It was already too late for the picture of the edge of the forest but I was already thinking about the title picture of my Flight Report : the half destroyed aircraft on the ground, shot full frame.

And then, suddenly, the engine rpm returned to normal, and in the dark and silent cabin, I told the story of my nightmare to my wife who concluded:

Still, you must be slightly disappointed to not be able to tell such an adventure… ;-)

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Well, I just told it! But exactly three hours of sleep were not many, because we were only there into the flight (my wife went back to sleep).
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The unacceptable shortcoming of the moving map program was that it cycled between several presentations of the information, some that I did not like at all, like this one where the position of the plane is completely masked by the time and distance data, without any option to select a specific view.
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The program also cycled between three languages (Finnish, English, Japanese), and I suspect that many non-Japanese passengers had a hard time with that latter language.
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I was lucky there : the plane did not hide it, but not everybody on board could read ウランバートル (Ulaanbaatar)
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Only when this damn information widow disappears could I discover that we were flying not very far fromイルクーツク, you understood Irkutsk, of course.
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The fake cockpit instruments presentation is great for vintage aviation geeks, but very irritating when you see a city (in daytime) and can’t localize yourself immediately on the moving map.
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The designer of this program must have been proud to have modeled the A330 from all axes, but once you’ve seen it once or twice, it is nothing but a sequence which masks the useful information without providing anything extra.
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You probably understood that it did not take much time after departing from ヘルシンキ (Helsinki, of course) for this moving map to disappoint me a lot, much like my wife was very disappointed by the skeletal audio and video offering.
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I took advantage of my wife going to the toilet to go to the rear of the aircraft.
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The offering in the rear galley was limited to water, fruit juice,
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… and a few soft drink cans .
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I asked and obtained without any difficulty some coffee.
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Food was limited to a basket of sweet and salty cookies, and milk chocolate sweets : the bare minimum for a legacy airline.
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Door shot
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Since I was there, I could have a look at the toilets.

Chinese and English are in that order the two most used languages in the world. As a bonus, the Japanese can understand the general meaning of a text written in Chinese (whereas the reverse is not true). Not only is Finnish in the bottom of the ranking of national languages in terms of number of speakers worldwide, but the Finns like all Nordic people are usually fluent in English: Finnair does not even bother translating the signage in the cabin into its official language. How many legacy airlines in the world do the same?
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What should be deducted from the fact that the recommendation to throw toilet paper only and flush the toilet after use appears in Chinese only?
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No matter which language is used to write it, the toilets of this plane are spotless ; I expected no less of the passengers of a HEL-KIX flight.
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Finnair is one of many airlines who believe that baby care is for women only.
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This frame on the wall, rear right, contained a laminated checklist in case of emergency.
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This was what the FAs would have done had my nightmare been for real.
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Side view of the galley, so that FAs are out of the frame on the left.
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Back to the dark cabin. Note by the way that Finnair’s FAs do not have the passengers lower the window shades during a night flight, unlike Korean Air FAs who mandate that window shades be lowered during a day flight (I’ll never forgive KE for that obnoxious rule).
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Daylight appeared progressively, but at a brisk pace because we were now heading south-east.
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The earlier rays of sun lit the lower parts of the wing
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… and then the winglet only.
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There could have been a fuel dump nozzle here, but few A330s have one, unlike the A340s.
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The winglet with the simple Finnair logo
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Some snow on the relief in an otherwise shapeless landscape.
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When the passenger ahead of me reclined his seat…
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… using my laptop was becoming really inconvenient.
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Winglet at dawn
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The planes I spotted in the Chinese airspace were too far to be identifiable.
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The passenger in front straightened his seat back : it suddenly became much easier to continue typing my FR.
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We were there into the flight.
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You would not expect to be able to spot Beijing !
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But did you identify the landmark here, full frame ?
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No ? Small wonder : it took me extensive image processing to obtain PEK as seen from 30,000 feet, including a few thousands of feet of air pollution, especially in winter when the Chinese use low quality coal to heat their homes on top of that used in the power stations.
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How about here? Any better?
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Image processing reveals the Beijing Tongxian air base
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The flight continued on charming Chinese countryside
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… powered by charming power station burning high sulfur coal.
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Light was switched on again in the cabin.
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Flying around Tianjin
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… but we only knew it from time to time because the stupid airmap program kept superimposing tourist pictures, like here Beijing’s Temple of Heaven, masking the position of the plane. It was all the more frustrating that the pictures were sometimes completely unrelated with the plane’s current location : we had the same pictures on the way back without entering the Chinese airspace at all.
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The breakfast was served like this.
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The same after unwrapping
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I guess there is no need to describe in detail ? The omelet – small sausage – vegetables combination is the workhorse of a long haul Economy breakfast.
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This was the detailed description of these 165 grams of food.
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Yoghurt and orange juice : I made tremendous progress in Finnish during this flight.
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I owe to OH-LWE (thanks !) to know that this was a "Karjalanpiiras," a Finnish rice pastry composed of a rye crust with a filling of rice (more details on Wikipedia here). I was not impressed (maybe the airline variety is not true to the real thing) and my wife abstained.
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Skimmed milk with non-dairy fat of unspecified nature.
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All this was easy to compact
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… wrap up…
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… and store cleanly in the sat pocket before the FAs came to collect it.
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Meanwhile, we had reached the Korean peninsula, without seeing ICN which was under the cloud cover. Seoul and its airport were to the left of the aircraft, anyway.
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The weather cleared up progressively.
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I did not know where we were – again this poorly designed airmap – but I liked this scenery
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Plumes of power stations : they are less beautiful, but maybe will a specialist of South Korea identify them ?
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The cloud cover cleared up completely
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More power stations
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We left South Korea there
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A view of the coast, without any image processing, to appreciate the difference of air clarity compared to the surroundings of PEK.
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I enhanced the contrast here to highlight an interesting infrastructure on the coast.
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This was Uljin Airport (UJA) which has been built without any serious market research and that no airline has accepted to serve, so that it remained unfinished since 2005,
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Arrival on the Japanese coast, on the Sea of Japan side
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There would be nothing to see while crossing through Honshū Island: the clouds kept clinging to the mountains.
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We were on the wrong side for seeing the Naruto 鳴門 Straits, and possibly its famous whirlpools seen from this flight , this is the strait between Shikoku 四国 and Ōge 大毛 Island, the latter being the real south shore of the Naruto Straits.
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Strictly speaking, this part of Naruto City is not the East end of Shikoku Island, but a smaller island separated from Shikoku by a sea channel.
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Backlighting of clouds and could shadows
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Small Nu Island 沼島, south of Awaji Island 淡路島 which is has the north short of the Naruto Straits
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Jinoshima Island 地島 in the foreground
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From the trajectory of the aircraft, we would be landing Runway 06L or 06R
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Apparition of Runway 06R : touchdown was imminent
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Kiss landing
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Spoilers’ deployment
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An Asiana Airlines A330-300 in backlighting conditions.
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A Peach Aviation A320 (the only type of aircraft in the fleet of this LCC : this helps identifying them ;)
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Arrival of a Jetstar A320
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There she is on the ground
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The weather was nice, but the right hand side of the aircraft was the wrong one for plane spotting during taxiing. All I could take was in the freight area this DL A300
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A cargo China Airlines747
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She was hiding three other freighters ; I did not even determine to which airline the last one belonged.
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Malaysia Airlines A330
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Cathay Pacific777
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The road and railway bridge which is the only link to KIX on the ground.
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The Japanese are avid users of bicycles for local travel and have been furious to discover too late that no bicycle lane had been included in the design of this bridge, when it would have been so easy to have one. (This sign was in the luggage delivery room, obviously for foreign cyclists who believed they could ride their bicycle directly from the airport).
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Only in my nightmares have I ever seen this kind of equipment in action.
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Arrival in the vicinity of the gate : an ANA 767 pushes back next to an Eva Air A330 at her gate.
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Last turn alongside a Thai Airways777
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Deplaning going through the second Business cabin : window seat
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And central seats
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I could not take a better picture of the aircraft
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… but at least, I had the confirmation of her model
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The ANA 767 left
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The Thai Airways 777. The jetbridges have escaped to the well-known Hong-Kong bank’s advertising.
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The terminal is so long that using a people mover is mandatory for reaching the arrivals area. The problem was not this short ride, but the endlessly snaking waiting line. Like in amusement parks, we could see only half of it initially. The only good thing was that it eventually reached a large number of active counters where each transaction was fast. This meant that the lien kept moving continuously, which was psychologically a lot more tolerable than waiting motionless. My wife also had the bad luck of being eventually in a “bad line”, behind a passenger who took more time than others to be processed. The time stamping of my pictures was less severe than my memory: 25 minutes elapsed between this picture and the next one, which means that the waiting time at the immigration, once the people mover ride was deducted, was hardly more than 20 minutes. I felt that it was much longer than that.
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Does the communication try to force a decision here? Unlike what is implied in English and much more explicitly stated in Japanese and Chinese, nothing proves so far that Ōsaka will host the Expo 2025 : the decision is scheduled to be taken only in November 2018. As of flying (and posting this report too), Ōsaka was a candidate city only, and I discovered when writing this that Paris was also a candidate (there has been a lot of communication about the Paris’ bid for the 2024 Olympics, but I have seen nothing so far on this Expo).
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We waited for a sufficiently long time at immigration, or rather the luggage handlers of KIX have been sufficiently efficient…
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… for our luggage to be already there, neatly ordered by airport staff.
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While my wife checked the toilets which were clean…
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… I expected to be able to share with a passenger who had seen it before me this power port behind a fire extinguisher (I had a multi-socket adapter).
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This socket was unfortunately of a type incompatible with Type A and Type B plugs in use in Japan. Much later, I found that this socket was similar, but not identical to the already exotic Panasonic WKS294 plug, unlikely to be found outside Japan. This alien socket had obviously been selected for installation here so that travelers can’t use it. No way to recharge my laptop which was becoming somewhat hungry – only during the flight back from KIX did I discover that there was a power port hidden under our seats.
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Arrival landside : there is here an ample choice of data SIM cards,
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… but not voice SIM cards, and the flyer for one of the data SIM cards specifies that it is not compatible with telephonic applications. The reason is that a Japanese law enacted in 2006 prohibits the delivery of a voice SIM card to a non-resident foreigner, or a foreigner having less than six months of residency status. A friend told me some years ago that it had been one of the biggest administrative hurdles after landing in Japan. On the other hand, you can rent phones, but both the daily rate and the communications are expensive.
(English edition update : I recently discovered two Japanese operators providing a data+voice SIM cards, one significantly more expensive than the other. I do not know the legal technicalities that they use)
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Plain electric power is much less sensitive, but nevertheless hard to find. If you have a starving electronic appliance upon arrival landside in KIX, remember what follows. Go upstairs.
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Pass along this Starflyer counter decorated with this model of one of their A320s
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… and go right all the way to the end, in the direction of this Family Mart convenience store.
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Once there, turn left beyond the Jetstar counter: there is at the far end a Post Office counter open every day (from where we sent bulky but not fragile presents to Japanese friends for a few hundred yen)
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To the right, there are two ATMs, which like all ATMs of the Japanese Post Office and of 7-Eleven convenience stores are compatible with foreign bank cards (unlike the ATMs of Japanese banks)
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And at the bottom of the wall on the right, not only next to the ATMs, there are powered Type B power ports which are waiting for you.
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A last glimpse of air transport with tails of China Airlines (Taiwan), T’way Airlines (South Korea) and Juneyao Airlines (China), from left to right.
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A nice architecture for the building of the rail station facing the terminal. There was this time very little waiting to obtain our regional train passes (there is a modest 1,000 JPY reduction if you order them on line ahead of time, but you pay for them upon arrival, unlike the national JR Pass which is much more expensive if you did not buy abroad ahead of time)
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This was the end of this trip which had taken marginally more time than a direct flight because the connection in HEL was short and the detour negligible.

I now propose you two bonuses, like in the preceding report ; the first one is typically aviation geek, with some plane spotting in Ōsaka.

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The conclusion of the preceding bonus provides me a transition to the next bonus which is much more “Traditional Japan” oriented: even though generational renewal is not reached, there are still babies in Japan.
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Verdict

Finnair

7.8/10
Cabin8.5
Cabin crew9.0
Entertainment6.0
Meal/catering7.5

Helsinki - HEL

9.1/10
Efficiency10.0
Access9.0
Services7.5
Cleanliness10.0

Osaka - KIX

8.6/10
Efficiency7.0
Access10.0
Services7.5
Cleanliness10.0

Conclusion

The evaluation of this CDG-HEL-KIX trip is mixed, but nevertheless definitely positive. Let’s consider the long haul flight first.

The seats are somewhat narrow and the seat pitch is not generous, but the 2-4-3 diagram provides seat duos to couples at a very limited cost. It doesn’t look like much, but a 3-4-3 diagram is a guarantee that one of the two passengers is disadvantaged, or that they are separated by another traveler in the middle seat (the middle seat neutralization gamble is uncommon and succeeds at best every other flight).
The IFE is technically obsolete and its program is ridiculously limited. I was annoyed by the non-interactive moving map program, and my wife by the few audio and videos channels – and on the way back by the ergonomic limitations of the game due to the poor sensitivity of the touch screen.

Finnair’s long haul catering meets the specs, which means it does not exceed the minimum requirements. The only criterion where Finnair was significantly above average is that of the FAs who were consistently in the top range in terms of pleasant and credible smiles, and who all spoke good English.

Finnair and HEL cannot live off their domestic market or on regional connections: the impressive row of manual and automatic passport checking gates at the Schengen / Non Schengen border shows that the focus is on facilitating transits. There is much walking though : you can’t loaf around or spend time shopping in the terminals between flights (or else very quickly, if you know precisely what you want to buy and where).
There was a dearth of power ports in the vicinity of the boarding gate, but I saw in the return flight that there was at seat power.

The line at the immigration in KIX seemed excessive, but it moved quickly. Once the actual time spent was checked, it was acceptable and better, the luggage handlers had been fast.
Useable power sockets are hard to find in KIX (or maybe I do not know this airport well yet). The railway link is efficient, which is no surprise in one of the most rail friendly countries in the world.

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10 Comments

  • Comment 436118 by
    sonicpanda 1 Comments

    Superb trip report as always!

  • Comment 436129 by
    OH-LWE 29 Comments

    Awesome report!
    The breakfast item that you ate is called a "Karjalanpiiras," a Finnish rice pastry. It is composed of a rye crust with a filling of rice.
    Cheers!

  • Comment 436163 by
    Ge90man 3 Comments

    I'm getting some Alitalia vibes from the seats, since I think they use the same seats as them in their a330s too.

    • Comment 436166 by
      marathon GOLD AUTHOR 8683 Comments

      The seats are not strictly identical : there are minor differences, such as the location of the remote control, the presence of an USB port... but it's obviously the same provider.
      Thanks for pointing this out !

  • Comment 436554 by
    KévinDC TEAM SILVER 4316 Comments

    Thanks for this first report from HEL to KIX Marathon! I'm sure there's a joke to be made somewhere in there with those airport codes, but I'm not witty enough ^^

    "One of clinching factors was precisely the 2-4-2 configuration of Finnair’s A330, to be compared with the sardine packing 3-4-3 layout of an AF 777"
    - A good choice indeed! The A330 and 767 fuselage cross-sections remain favourites in Y thanks to the 2-4-2 and 2-3-2 configurations respectively. 3-4-3 777s are just unbearable for me. I just saw today that the new Boeing 797 will have a 2-3-2 configuration, woo hoo!

    "There was something about lactose on the right, but only after this flight did my friend Google Translate tell me that it meant “without lactose”."
    - Ah, too bad it wasn't also written in English! I am lactose intolerant and would have probably missed out on eating something that I could actually eat not knowing that it says without lactose.

    Lovely aerials as usual, except for Beijing, but that's not your fault...it's coal's fault. Someone should show those pics to Trump since he wants to bring coal back in the U.S....see what it does!?

    Thanks for sharing!

    • Comment 436578 by
      marathon GOLD AUTHOR 8683 Comments

      "Thanks for this first report from HEL to KIX Marathon! I'm sure there's a joke to be made somewhere in there with those airport codes, but I'm not witty enough ^^"
      - We were whacked that evening upon reaching Fukuoka all the way from Helsinki. In short, it was HEL to FUK.
      (You asked for it, you got it^^)

      “The A330 and 767 fuselage cross-sections remain favourites in Y thanks to the 2-4-2 and 2-3-2 configurations respectively. 3-4-3 777s are just unbearable for me. I just saw today that the new Boeing 797 will have a 2-3-2 configuration, woo hoo!”
      - Interesting news about the 797! A plane with duo seats in Economy beats any Neutralized Middle Seat Lottery, even if the latter has the best IFE in the market, IMO.

      “I am lactose intolerant and would have probably missed out on eating something that I could actually eat not knowing that it says without lactose. “
      - Finnish is a weird language, but at least you can type it into an off line translator, unlike non Latin alphabet language.

      “Lovely aerials as usual, except for Beijing, but that's not your fault...it's coal's fault. Someone should show those pics to Trump since he wants to bring coal back in the U.S....see what it does!?”
      - In China, it’s illegal to publish independent pollution measurements and Xi changed the Constitution to stay in power for life. Is that really the role model you suggest for Trump?

      Thanks for your comments !

  • Comment 437564 by
    jetsetpanda SILVER 2243 Comments

    Thank you Marathon for sharing another entertaining and informative series.

    "but this is the first report on a HEL-KIX flight, in any class of travel."
    -Congratulations for being the first to write about this route. I can't think of a more deserving contributor to carry this honor. ;)

    " I had included a modest 6 EUR supplement each for choosing our seats in this A330"
    - These charges seem petty for a legacy carrier, especially on a long haul route to Asia.

    "An apple green cushion and a fleece blanket were on each seat;"
    - At least the colors match each other nicely.

    "The armrest (photographed here when deplaning) does not fold up any further than that, which is a little bit of nuisance for moving around."
    - What happened to Nordic design? With AY it seems that there is too much aesthetics but little functionality.

    "My wife always finds it somewhat disparaging that a woman should be one-legged, or conversely that decency mandates that she keeps her legs tightly together."
    - Mme. is right, and not all women wear skirts.

    "so only the right hand side of this BOB menu was applicable."
    - Flying AY in Y is getting more attractive. Look at the amount of choices from the BOB menu. :P

    "This was the whole set after unwrapping."
    - The appetizer is not a salad like AA and they try to offer something typical of the destination. Fazer chocolate for dessert! So Finnish! Yes, the chocolate could have been dark, but you can't please everyone. By the way, I find dark chocolates to be preferable too. If only the portions were bigger and the utensils were metal.

    "In short, I was not convinced by the future of some Finnish children in a career in an air catering company."
    - Perhaps an advice to do an internship in France should be given for future prospects in the food industry. ;)

    "Food was limited to a basket of sweet and salty cookies, and milk chocolate sweets : the bare minimum for a legacy airline."
    - AA just puts the leftovers like crackers, cheese and pretzels from the dinner service. I don't know which is worse.

    "Winglet at dawn"
    - Beautiful!

    "this was a "Karjalanpiiras," a Finnish rice pastry composed of a rye crust with a filling of rice "
    - Now you have stirred my curiosity. I'm intrigued by how this tastes.

    Gorgeous bonus with friends at the end and the display of stunning attires. Your FR's are always so informative and contain that special perspective from a seasoned worldly traveler. Thanks for sharing your personal experiences with us.

    • Comment 437818 by
      marathon GOLD AUTHOR 8683 Comments

      “These charges (6 EUR supplement each for choosing our seats) seem petty for a legacy carrier, especially on a long haul route to Asia.”
      - It is cheap enough so that anybody who cares about it can afford it, and passengers who do not care or want rock bottom fares leave more desirable seats.

      "The armrest (photographed here when deplaning) does not fold up any further than that, which is a little bit of nuisance for moving around. -> What happened to Nordic design? With AY it seems that there is too much aesthetics but little functionality.”
      - Strange design error, indeed

      "My wife always finds it somewhat disparaging that a woman should be one-legged, or conversely that decency mandates that she keeps her legs tightly together. -> Mme. is right, and not all women wear skirts ->
      - You seem to know my wife well ;)

      " Flying AY in Y is getting more attractive. Look at the amount of choices from the BOB menu. :P”
      - I am willing to pay for a window seat, but reluctant to pay for BOB food. A matter of personal priorities ;)

      “The appetizer is not a salad like AA and they try to offer something typical of the destination. Fazer chocolate for dessert! So Finnish! Yes, the chocolate could have been dark, but you can't please everyone. By the way, I find dark chocolates to be preferable too. If only the portions were bigger and the utensils were metal. “
      - Plastic rubbish is more an issue to me than eating with plasticware.

      "Perhaps an advice to do an internship in France should be given for future prospects in the food industry”
      -> Better do this internship fast before AF transfers all its domestic flights to Joon and Transavia.

      " AA just puts the leftovers like crackers, cheese and pretzels from the dinner service. I don't know which is worse.”
      - You try hard to set AA as the legacy zero reference of the scale ;)

      "Now you have stirred my curiosity. I'm intrigued by how Karjalanpiiras tastes.”
      - Better leave rice recipes to rice growers, IMO, especially on a flight to the Far East.

      “Gorgeous bonus with friends at the end and the display of stunning attires. Your FR's are always so informative and contain that special perspective from a seasoned worldly traveler. Thanks for sharing your personal experiences with us. "
      - My pleasure! I’m looking forward to flying back to Japan soon. Thanks for your comments!

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