Review of Air France flight Los Angeles Paris in Premium Eco

Airline Air France
Flight AF77
Class Premium Eco
Seat 11A
Aircraft Boeing 777-200ER
Flight time 10:30
Take-off 16 May 14, 21:35
Arrival at 17 May 14, 17:05
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anthonytahiti
Published on 4th September 2014
Here I go for a short business trip in France.

Short because family (my wife and my 3 years old kid) did not want to come with me and stay in France for holidays. But a lonely trip brings a lot of benefits ;)

As this is a business trip, I don’t pay myself the ticket, and as the stay is short, I would like to travel in more comfortable conditions than coach class. I asked for a flexible ticket in Economy or Premium Economy, so a paid upgrade would not be too expensive for me.

    1ST PART : From Tahiti to France Papeete [PPT] - Los Angeles [LAX], Air France AF77, B772, Premium Eco, May 16, 2014 CLICK HERE Los Angeles [LAX] - Paris [CDG], Air France AF77, B772, Premium Eco, May 16, 2014
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    2ND PART : Back from France to Tahiti : Flying with style Paris [CDG] - Los Angeles [LAX], Air France AF66, A380, Premiere, May 25, 2014 CLICK HERE Los Angeles [LAX] - Papeete [PPT] Air Tahiti Nui TN1, A343, Business, May 25, 2014 CLICK HERE


For this trip to France, this is a Premium Economy ticket. Today is the first day of school holidays in Tahiti, so the plane is full in all classes, and I had no opportunity at any time to find a Z or I fare (cheapest Business fares).

This is how I find myself in Premium Economy cabin for this trip, in a cabin that I had often taken in the past on this route and that I’m not a fan, considering the unfavorable price value. I find the the seat too uncomfortable on a flight as long, especially at night.

I arrive from PPT and I rather enjoyed the first flight of the day, and the transit procedure has been quick.

I find myself in the corridor leading to the departure area

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Lounge guide, helpful to find my way

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Here I go

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Upon arrival in the new TBIT, I feel it will be nicer than the horrible Terminal 2

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I go immediately to my right to a food court

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The dining options are not lacking with also a Starbucks in the south concourse

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And a more classic restaurant on the mezzanine in the central part

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The TBIT is well stocked, decoration and lighting are very nice



The huge departures board on a giant screen

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Direction North Concourse

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Or South Concourse

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My future gate is south side

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Newspapers available, thank you AF

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My bird (F-GSPD) is waiting while the sun sets

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The neighbor is a China Southern’s huge plane

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After this short visit, it’s time to go to the Skyteam lounge, held by Korean Air

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Here is the entrance with AF staff and its small desk on the left (shame not to be with Korean colleagues behind the main desk)

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I arrive first in a space while length

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The food area is on the right, well separated from the rest of the lounge

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Here is the food offer that is identical to that proposed in the old Korean lounge, namely a fairly basic offer, no hot food despite dinner time. But we are light years of pitiful AF KLM lounge in Terminal 2, so that's a big progress!



The lounge is L-shaped around this food area, here is the second part

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A mezzanine overlooking the duty free zone

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A bar in a corner will remain closed during my visit

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But some drinks are self service

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Finally, the wifi allows me to achieve the corporate picture

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Boarding has already started when I go down to the gate. Panels invite Premium passengers to board in the first jetbridge

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I go in through the L1 door

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That gives me the opportunity to cross the Business cabin

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After joining the flow of eco pax at L2 door, I found my Premium Eco seat

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Small bottles of water

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Safety belt with air bag

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Screen size is correct for eco

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The headphones that are difficult to extract from their storage

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Pilot light

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The footrest, so difficult to reach for small people

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Seat control with two buttons: one to recline the seat (as in eco) and the second to raise the leg rest

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Amenity kits are already placed on our seats at time of boarding

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We push back at the scheduled departure time
Planspotting attempt by night
China Southern A388

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Fiji Airways A332

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Qantas A388

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We take off to the Pacific 15 minutes later

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A small loop and we are back in the right direction

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That leaves me a lot of time

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View from my seat on the Premium cabin

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Menu distribution

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The aperitif (Champagne) is served quickly, 30 minutes after takeoff

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I wait almost 45 minutes to have the meal tray

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Hey, the metal cutlery disappeared!

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I do not let down, reminder of the menu

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Let’s go

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Starter : the fish terrine with seaweed, marinated shrimp is very good

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I choose a great value for the main course : salmon parmentier is good as usual

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The box contains an American cheese and apple compote

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The dessert is not a Grand Marnier almond cake as advertised on the menu but a lemon dessert that is not too bad

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This time I'm entitled to my greedy cone

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Some sweeties much appreciated

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Finally, the catering is good again for the first meal

I start to watch a movie, Jobs

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The cabin is in darkness 2 hours after takeoff

2 pictures (taken at landing) to show a big flaw of the seat : the lack of inclination
My seat fully reclined

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Little difference between my reclined seat (on the right) and the seat in the upright position (on the left)

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I sleep somehow, frequently awakened to change position and relieve pressure points on my backside

A little over 5 hours later (and a little more than 1h30 before arrival) the lights come back suddenly. I really hope there will be a mood lighting in the retrofitted cabin!

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We are approaching the Irish coast

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And GE90 still purrs quietly above a sea of clouds

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Breakfast is served

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It is a little better and a little more generous than the previous flight, but it's only average quality

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The sandwich is hot

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We reach the English coast in Cornwall above Land's End

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Then France, we approach the Cotentin

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Cherbourg

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A little later, Le Havre

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The « Oceane » Stadium, home of the soccer team of Le Havre

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Normandy Bridge, linking Le Havre and Honfleur

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Tancarville bridge slightly upstream on the Seine

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Meanders of the Seine

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Rouen

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The flight is coming to the end, AF gives some practical information

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Final approach

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CDG

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The flying saucer (Terminal 1)

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Touchdown with 20 minutes ahead

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Many barcode here (nickname of Air France’s logo on the tail)

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At our parking stand 5 minutes later near a B744 at the K gates (Pier of the Terminal 2E)

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See you soon

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Disembarking across the Business cabin

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Then through a glass jetbridge

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Last look to my bird

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Immigration by Access No 1 will not be fast, 15 minutes in a queue that does not move an inch : Welcome to France !

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End of this trip to Paris for 1 week in France

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Verdict

Air France

7.1/10
Cabin6.0
Cabin crew7.0
Entertainment/wifi8.0
Meal/catering7.5

Korean Air Lounge

7.4/10
Comfort8.0
Meal/catering7.5
Entertainment/wifi7.0
Services7.0

Los Angeles - LAX

10.0/10
Efficiency10.0
Access10.0
Services10.0
Cleanliness10.0

Paris - CDG

7.2/10
Efficiency5.0
Access8.0
Services8.0
Cleanliness8.0

Conclusion

Air France
Comfort is compliant once again what I expected, weak points are penalizing for a night flight : seat too hard, insufficient recline. Comfort gain felt on a day flight disappears when you want to sleep.
Crew : Tahitian crew for this flight, as usual not very present in this small Premium cabin
Catering : a good first meal but a hitch in service protocol (plastic cutlery), breakfast still insufficient, but a little better than the first flight
Entertainment: The screen is a good size for economy, the choice of film is vast and VOD is nice, weak point is the poor quality of headphones
Punctuality perfectly on time

Korean Air lounge, TBIT
Comfort : large, bright, pleasant
Entertainment : free wifi, I am not interested in the press offer this time
Service and staff : not present outside the little food corner
Catering : offer lacks hot dishes, what is present is correct

LAX TBIT
Rapid transit procedure, a real improvement.
This terminal is now very pleasant, lots of stores, a really successful visually frame.
I am reconciled with LAX!

CDG Terminal 2E
Passport control not very fluid, otherwise consistent with my previous visits, no surprises

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1 Comments

  • Comment 117056 by
    jetsetpanda 2294 Comments

    Thank you for this detailed and complete report accompanied by great photos as usual. I am switching my loyalty program and was considering AF Y+ for a trip to CDG in Nov. In the end, I decided to go with BA and will concentrate on their program. What sold me in the end was BA's decent availability for award seats in premium cabins. However, my relatives will use AF and this will give them a good idea of what to expect.

    It's a shame that AF decided to switch to plastic utensils instead of metal ones while competitors like BA and TK have kept the silverware for their Y+ cabins.

    Pity about the recline of the seat. The inability to get comfortable on a night flight to catch some sleep is annoying.

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