Greetings Flight Report community and thanks for stopping by. I plan to share a series of flights that came into focus with two objectives, figure out a way to ride in the new Singapore Airlines A380 Suites and take advantage of a soon to be devalued sweet spot in the United Airlines Mileageplus award chart. Let's talk about the Suites first. Singapore Airlines introduced "Suites" class ten years ago when the A380 entered service and it was quite revolutionary and remains a top First Class product. The airline is in the process of returning their initial A380 frames to the lessor and receiving new built frames from Airbus. They took this opportunity to remodel their Suites class and introduce a new product. In July 2017 the word on the internet was SQ would deploy these Suites initially on a SIN-SYD-SIN turn, namely SQ 231/SQ232. With this information I started searching for a saver award on either segment. I located a seat on SQ 232 for May 4th, 2018 and set out to build a trip around this segment. This was the SYD-SIN segment so I started building from SYD back home, ideally staying with Krisflyer as the currency and a single ticket to limit the cost. There was no space on SQ12 (SIN-NRT-LAX) or SQ8 (SIN-ICN-LAX) so I looked to Star Alliance partners for help. In the end I found SQ SIN-HND and NH NRT-LAX. I called Krisflyer and had the ticket booked quickly for 127,500 krisflyer miles and $183.90 SGD in fees. This was before the most recent SQ award chart devaluation. At his point the new A380 had not gone into service so the seating chart was showing the old product. I selected seat 1A as a place holder until more information was divulged about the new Suites configuration.
The second objective involved the excellent redemption value using United Airlines Mileageplus in Thai Airways First Class between HKG and SYD via BKK. Tickled that I finally had a reason to book one of these awesome deals to Sydney I checked the date I needed and the space was there. For 40,000 miles it was too good to be true and they "fixed" the award chart not long after I booked.
If you're keeping score I now have an itinerary that looks like this: HKG-BKK-SYD-SIN-HND; NRT-LAX all in Suites/First for a very reasonable sum of points. The final hole is LAX-HKG. If I have to be in Hong Kong I naturally think of Cathay Pacific as the preferred way of getting there and this case was no different. With low expectations I pulled up the BA Avios search page (a good way to search for Oneworld award availability) and searched LAX-HKG for the exact day I required to meet up this the rest of this trip and by some divine action the space was there. I had some of the Avios needed and transferred the remaining points from AMEX and even took advantage of one of those 40% bonuses that is offered from time to time. I would normally use Alaska Airlines to book CX but my orphan Avios balance, the transfer bonus, and lack of AS miles (or Starpoints to convert) I decided to use BA and pay the outlandish 150k redemption. Feeling quite smug, and with the entire trip booked, all I had to do was wait the excruciating 8+ months until it was time to travel.
Carrier, route, equipment, class, lounge, and procurement method:
Cathay Pacific - LAX-HKG - 777-300ER - First - Qantas First Lounge (The Wing/Deck/Pier arrival lounge bonus) - British Airways Avios
Thai Airways - HKG-BKK - 777-300ER - Business - Thai Airways Lounge - United Mileageplus
Thai Airways - BKK-SYD- 747-400 - First - Thai Airways Royal First Lounge/Spa- United Mileageplus
Singapore Airlines - SYD-SIN - A380-800 - New Suites - Singapore Airlines Silverkris Lounge - Singapore Airlines Krisflyer (This Report)
Singapore Airlines - SIN-HND- 777-300ER - First - Silverkris Lounge/Private Room - Singapore Airlines Krisflyer
ANA - NRT-LAX- 777-300ER - First - ANA Suite Lounge(s) - Singapore Airlines Krisflyer
Silverkris Lounge - SYD and Air New Zealand Lounge - SYD
Transit couldn't have been easier. I was off the airplane and through transit security in about 3 minutes. I stopped at the transit desk but was too early, apparently, to get the BP for SQ232 but the helpful agent there suggested going to the gate where SQ was dispatching a flight to SIN and they could help. I followed this suggestion and the SQ staff at the gate asked me to wait a moment for them to close their flight and then they quickly checked me in. They could only do the SQ boarding passes and in a move I thought was funny she printed my boarding pass to SIN on "Suites" stock and then changed the printer to pint the BP to HND on "First" stock. I was given directions to the lounge and it was but a short escalator ride from the gate.
The lounges are one level up from teh main terminal floor.
Upon presenting my freshly minted boarding passes to the lounge host I was escorted to the right of the podium through an automatic sliding door and into the First Class side of the lounge. I was given a brief tour and told that the lounge attendant/server would be right with me. There were only two other passengers in the F section at the time and they were about to board the Thai 747-400 that I had recently alighted and head back to BKK.
The First Class Lounge is basically 3 rooms. The first room you encounter is a a TV and a variety of seating options.
The second room is the buffet/dinning room with food, drinks, and some dinning tables. The restrooms and showers were also accessed from this room.
The third room contains a variety of seating including a window with great ramp views.
The food on offer was mostly breakfast items and it all looked quite nicely presented. There is also an a la carte menu that I was presented from the lounge attendant. I has just enjoyed a breakfast on my inbound flight so my only request during my stay in the lounge was Perrier with lemon. The server was excellent in that he checked back a time or two to make sure I hadn't changed my mind and wanted to order from the menu after all.
After getting getting acquainted with the lounge and enjoying some water I requested a shower. It turns out they are self serve and can be accessed any time you wish. It is a small but well appointed space but could really do with a bit more room and a place to open your luggage and dress more comfortably.
Reading other trip reports of Star Aliance SYD departures made me aware of the Air New Zealand lounge next door tot eh Silverkris Lounge. I had some time before boarding so I decided to have a look at what the Kiwis were up to.
The entrance is quite striking with the Koru and huge video wall.
The lounge is absolutely massive and is somewhat reminiscent of the Star Alliance Lounge at LAX TBIT.
There is a large buffet area including a chef making breakfast burritos to order. What an awesome feature!
During my stay I enjoyed a barista made cappuccino that you order using an iPad on the bar.
The lounge also features 180 degree views of the ramp and departure runway so I enjoyed my coffee drink watching the busy morning airport movements. The distances are too great for me to capture without a proper camera with a decent lens. Suffice it to say that this appears to be an excellent Business Class lounge and if you're flying Star Alliance internationally from SYD this is the place to be, at lease compared to what I saw of the Silverkris J section.
While visiting the ANZ lounge I observed the A380 for my flight towed to the gate and was able to confirm the correct aircraft was here with the new Suites product. My flight today would be performed by the newest member of the SQ A380 fleet 9V-SKW delivered on April 12, 2018. The windows on the forward portion of the upper deck are the identifying clue : there are 2 windows in each Suite.
Photo credit to Jordan Chong of http://australianaviation.com.au :
SQ232 SYD-SIN
As boarding time approached I couldn't take the anticipation any longer so i walked down to the gate prior to any announcement in the SQ lounge and assumed a spot in the "Priority" queue.
After pre-boarding several wheelchairs the call was made for Suites/Business/PPS Club. I eventually made my way up a couple of ramps to the upper deck boarding door.
When you enter the aircraft a left turn is made and you pass through a massive galley complex and then you are there (this photo is looking back at the direction in which you board).
I was escorted to Suite 1A and given a tour. I'm sure it was easy for the cre to deduce that I had not experienced the new Suites yet as I was virtually speechless. It's such a beautiful space. The materials, colors, textures, all of it is luxurious. It is very difficult to capture in pictures how spacious and plush the space is.
I'll do my best to show you around the Suite.
This is the forward wall of 1A that has a small IFE screen, for the safety video I presume, but it has the full functionality of the other IFE screen in that you can watch IFE or use the moving map. The small table also housed the tray table. The orchid is faux.
The IFE screen is huge and pivots at the touch of a button to move between bed viewing and seat viewing.
There are small storage compartments and a vanity in the side table.
There are an abundance of suite controls and buttons in addition to the detachable tablet.
In suite closet that fits full 22" roll aboard.
There is a small shelf that supports the bed when it is deployed but can be sued for other purposes when the bed is stowed.
The carpet design. The padding us unreal, it's like a foam floor.
As with any SQ journey in First/Suites there is a substantial amount of amenity presentation:
Slippers, socks, and eye mask.
Lounge wear and amenity box.
I am welcomed aboard by no fewer than 4 crew members all seemingly as excited about our surroundings as I am. In fact this was only this crew's second time working the new aircraft/suites but you would never have guessed in that they all were very familiar with the features and controls. Of course Singapore Airlines training is thorough.
Also a hallmark of a premium trip with SQ is the wine. The 2004 Krug was on offer as the pre-departure beverage.
A flaw that has been pointed out among many views is the clear path into your neighbor's suite, especially during meal time. This is real although my neighbor in 1F slept and took meals a different times than myself so we didn't encounter this.
Taking a look over the walls to our cabin that is occupied 4/6 today.
The seat is crafted from a supple leather that is very pleasing to the touch. The chair swivels 360 degrees at a touch of a button. The swivel feature also has some presets for example if you touch the icon of the entertainment screen it will swivel the chair to that spot. There is a preset to face the bed, window, and takeoff/landing too.
Announcements were made that we are departing and I was reminded that I was on an airplane. We has a short taxi and always smooth and quite takeoff in A380 fashion.
The fasten seat belt sign was turned off after 10,000' and I ventured off to the lav to change into the lounge wear. There are 2 lavs in the front of the cabin on either side of the stairs. The starboard side is the larger of the two and almost as impressive as the suite.
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A closer look at the lounge wear. I found it perfectly comfortable being light and breathing well. I wore them for the remainder of my flights on this trip.
I returned to to my seat and was greeted by one of the flight attendants. I asked her if suite 2A was vacant for the flight and she said yes, seemingly knowing where I was going with this line of questioning. I asked if the wall could be lowered and the suites combined. She replied absolutely and asked if I would like both beds made up too. Oh yes, I would! She and her colleague started straight away so i stepped out into the aisle and also visited the "small" lav.
I snapped a pic when they went to fetch the bedding.
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So, at this moment this flight went from "wow" to "once in a lifetime" as I returned to a suite that had doubled in size. So spacious that it's, again, difficult to capture.
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Of course i had to play with the lighting to get it where I wanted it.
I was reminded again that we are on an airplane when I was asked if and when I would like lunch. I decided now was a great time and time and went about reviewing themassive food and drink menu. There was also a refreshment service offered prior to arrival that I seem to have not taken a picture of.
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I positioned the screen and the chair for dinning.
I opted to start with the caviar and was treated to two beautiful portions.
Can't resist the buttery garlic bread.
I passed on the soup course but enjoyed a nice crisp salad with honey mustard dressing.
For the main dish I selected the barramundi fillet. It was nicely cooked and flaky. The portion was enormous.
To finish I requested the cheese paired with a 2006 Saint-Estephe.
The meal was perfectly paced and very enjoyable. Of course the surreal airborne apartment I was in made everything seem spectacular.
The bed has a manual tilt feature that I deployed to enjoy a glass of The Macallan Lumina and finish the film i was viewing.
I closed the suite doors at this time too.
This is a remarkable space that's hard for me to fathom. The sheer square footage, the lighting, the materials, the quiet operation of A380 all made for a surreal experience. I set the other TV on the map as we made our way across Australia.
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I truly didn't want to sleep but it was in my best interest. I wanted to be able to enjoy the evening in Singapore so some rest was required. The beds don't quite ack as one large bed due to teh hard divider between but it's still possible to spread way out and let a leg drift into the other bed to achieve supreme comfort.
I rested well and woke about an hour out of SIN.
Once awake I was offered the pre-arrival refreshment meal but I declined. Too much good food in Singapore to take on anything at this point. I requested some water and a cup of the Blue Mountain coffee.
Unfortunately this fantasy flight was coming to an end much too quickly. I took one last gaze at the huge bed before it was stowed for landing.
Parallel approach today with an Air Asia A320.
With that it was over. I thanked the crew profusely for tolerating my request for the extra space and the extra work it required. They made it seem like it was no bother but I'm sure it was to some degree.
I was among the first off the aircraft and I headed to Immigration to enter Singapore and enjoy her Culinary delights.
Bonus - Feed me Singapore!
Newton Food Center is a 3 minute walk from the Sheraton so it's an easy plan for dinner.
Duck noodle from Kwee Heng
Hup Kee for oyster omelette
Breakfast at Marine Parade Laksa.
Lunch over at Old Airport Road.
Hello,
And thanks for sharing this outstanding report! SQ definitely remains the best according to your experience.
I may challenge just one point: Isn’t Veuve Clicquot a J Lounge Champagne rather than a F one?
So as to offer a consistant product, shouldn’t they offer as well Krug and/or Dom Pérignon on the ground.
À bientôt
Hello Hermes and thank you for the feedback.
"Isn’t Veuve Clicquot a J Lounge Champagne rather than a F one?"
-I concur with your assessment. To SQ's credit they do pour Dom Pérignon in SIN. I wonder if the fact that so many passengers that are not flying SQ have access to the lounge it would be difficult to rationalize.
Happy flying Hermes.
Thank you for the fantastic FR.
SQ in First class is the best. The suites are splendid. Catering is very good.
Thanks for the note Nico83et13, I appreciate the feedback. Happy flying.
Hello Christian! Wow, opened up Flight-Report today thinking that you might have your trip up and looks like I'm late to the party but not for the main event. I repeat, Wow.
-I would have been in line from arriving at the airport.
Both Qantas and NZ have baristas in their lounges. Nice touch. Agree the NZ lounge is nice, I didn't get any made to order burrito tho :)
Lalique sleepwear. New for the A380 only or on all SQ first class flights, do you know?
The cabin looks stunning, great photos by the way. Given your 9.5 rating its as good as it gets I imagine.
One of my favorite fishes, but have never seen such a thick filet. Looks excellent.
-HaHa, lets see, Singapore Airlines first class meal or Hawker center meal, Hmmm,
By the way, I actually tried to get to SIN or NRT when you were there. While I found the flights I had something the I couldn't get away from. Another time.
Great report. I'll look at the prior ones in the coming days.
Hi Mark - Thanks a lot, as always, for leaving a note.
"Lalique sleepwear. New for the A380 only or on all SQ first class flights, do you know?"
-My feeling is that it's A380 related. I received the old style on the 777-300ER to HND the next day.
"The cabin looks stunning, great photos by the way. Given your 9.5 rating its as good as it gets I imagine. "
-Thanks, it's quite difficult to capture the beauty and the size. My 9.5 is a little bit of an (*) as I had two suites so I am rating that experience. (It should be a 10 I suppose but I have a hard time saying something is perfect.)
"HaHa, lets see, Singapore Airlines first class meal or Hawker center meal, Hmmm,"
-I know. I usually choose both!
"By the way, I actually tried to get to SIN or NRT when you were there. While I found the flights I had something the I couldn't get away from. Another time."
That's so cool that you gave it a go. I'm sorry it didn't work out. I'm heading out next on July 5th so if you're on the road perhaps we'll cross paths.
Thanks again Mark and happy flying.
Hi Christian,
-Hmmm, just booked KIX to SIN in December in suites, yes the A380 replaced the 787-10 for the day flight. Couldn't resist. Would like to snag a pair of the new style. We'll see.
-Seems that argument has been had on this site, probably started by resident troll AndyW.
-Where to? I'm in Portland for a couple days. Also contemplating Reykjavik just to say I've been there. Sweet deal with AMEX pay with points.
"Hmmm, just booked KIX to SIN in December in suites, yes the A380 replaced the 787-10 for the day flight."
-Ohhh, I had not heard about this equipment swap. Interest piqued. How are you getting to KIX?
"Where to? I'm in Portland for a couple days. Also contemplating Reykjavik just to say I've been there. Sweet deal with AMEX pay with points."
-I have LAX-TPE-SGN booked for a friend and myself on EVA. It's kind of a place holder while we see if we can find two F seats somewhere... I do like EVA and Saigon is great so we may end up flying it.
- Trip is JFK-ICN-KIX on KE 747/777 FC. KIX-SIN SQ A380FC, SIN-HKG SQ A380 new on in BC waitlisted FC, EK HKG-DXB-ORD A380/777 FC. Lots of points, lots of fun!
-I am looking to get EVA again myself. I think they are flying the Hello Kitty jet to LA now. Are you on that flight? It's gimmicky but interesting to see how far they go with the Kitty branding, down to the wrapper for silverware when I flew it from CDG to TPE a couple years back. I think even the TP is kitty branded. Their website shows the flights that are flown by a hello jetty themed jet. http://www.evakitty.com/en/flight/timetable.aspx
Thing of beauty, Mark. The KE 747-8i has been the the object of my attention for some time. Fingers crossed your wait-list will clear but your J review would be super useful too. And then EK F...how did you book that one!?!?
No Kitty flights for us. :( I think BR5/6 get the purring and we're on BR15.
-Same BC reserved in Aug with FC waitlisted. Gotta figure one will clear!
>And then EK F...how did you book that one!?!?
-First tried AK. Was going to bite the 180K bullet. Turns out they couldn't confirm on the DXB-ORD segment after telling me it was available. (After that a $400 travel voucher appeared in my account, assume it was from this incident) . Then a duh moment hit. For a few less points I could book with Emirates and no surcharges because it was out of HKG. Total fees $95 and I get limos. Unfortunately not Dubai connect. While expensive with the recent first class devaluations HKG-DXB-ORD for 178 isn't outrageous. Well maybe...
-Too bad.
Lots of space on that KIX-SIN available, 3 more at last check 12/29.
"Lots of space on that KIX-SIN available, 3 more at last check 12/29.'
-SO tempting. did you get KIX-SIN-HKG on one redemption? I can't seem to get the computer to do that...
Nope. Backtracking not allowed. KIX-SIN only. To HKG is another ticket.
Well that's unfortunate. I really want to do KIX-SIN, not for A380 but 787-10. Any idea if Krisflyyer would allow an "open-jaw" type one way? Something like LAX-NRT; KIX-SIN? Some programs do but only in the context of a round-the-world type ticket... I suppose it couldn't hurt to ask. I know you have to pay for a stopover on a one-way but it would still be a good value to me.
My guess is they would. I find them to be pretty flexible. But you don' need to , unless you want to go to Osaka. The 787 is running from NRT as well. The 11:05 flight, SQ 637 is a 787. SQ 619 from KIX is a 787 until the winter schedule change then is a 380. In fact I'm on the NRT-SIN 787 in august. I changed from KIX when they put in out of NRT. Saved a $65 Jetstar flight from NRT-KIX. The winter schedule will still run the 787 to KIX, but it's the overnight flight from KIX to SIN.
Since you are going to have a mixed class booking (assume you will take first TPAC) ask if they will discount the total fare since part is on BC. They did that for me a while back, wasn't much, few thousand points but still... Good luck!
And here it is, the pièce de résistance or the routing! An amazing report (how could it not be?!) and I believe the first on the new A380 Suites. And man, you don't play around. Not just one new Suite, but DOUBLE Suites! I've been in apartments smaller than that ^^
Everything about the Suites is beautiful and tastefully done. Once again SQ manager to stay ahead of the competition! It's like they took the concept of the EY Apartments, which were themselves ahead of their time, and just went wild with it. Who would have known, just a few years ago, that we'd see single aisle First class on A380 upper decks on not just one, but two airlines.
The only "complaint" I've read about the new Suites is that the chair faces the aisle and can be a bit awkward. Surely it can't be that awkward considering how far the distance is between Suites.
I'm pleasantly surprised by the SQ F lounge in SYD. I never knew is was so beautiful--really very attractive decor! It's no QF F lounge, but it is impressive.
Greetings Kevin and thank for for the note.
"Not just one new Suite, but DOUBLE Suites!"
-A dreamlike flight for me but not a really useful look at the regular Suites product. I overheard the passenger in 1F expressing to the crew that he perhaps prefers the old Suites product, specifically the bed. Funny I've flown the old product a dozen times and never got the double suite experience and now first time on the new.
"Everything about the Suites is beautiful and tastefully done."
-It really comes through when you touch the surfaces and walk on the carpet and operate the door/seat/bed. It's all very elegant.
"I'm pleasantly surprised by the SQ F lounge in SYD. I never knew is was so beautiful--really very attractive decor! "
-I know, those high back chairs are like beautiful in shape and fabric. Not bad for an out station.
Happy flying Kevin.
Thank you for this wonderful report Christian.
I thought that I had enough flying Singapore Airlines but I just figured out that no one could be tired off flying one of the best airline in the world
I can't wait flying the New Suites in few months and I'm sure that it will as magic as yours.
I'm just disappointed by the ground service in SYD. Waiting in the same queue with Business Class is quite average.
Premium Economy passengers have their own dedicated lane.
Take care
Hello Indianocean and thank you for leaving feedback on my FR.
" thought that I had enough flying Singapore Airlines..."
-What? I do not understand :) :) :)
"I can't wait flying the New Suites in few months and I'm sure that it will as magic as yours."
-Excellent! On what route will you be flying? I too hope it's a wonderful journey.
"I'm just disappointed by the ground service in SYD. Waiting in the same queue with Business Class is quite average.
Premium Economy passengers have their own dedicated lane."
-Yes, it's an interesting change from other SQ stations I have visited. Not a good change.
Happy flying Indianocean.
Thanks for sharing this wonderful report socalnow! I have to admit, SQ has been one of my all-time favourite airlines and especially with the new first and business class on the A380s. That is something worth trying out. Hopefully I'll get to fly SQ when I get the chance. Happy travels!!
Thanks for the note Rbix. I would also call Singapore Airlines one of my all time favorites. I would like to try the new J on the A380 as well as the 787-10, the cabins look really smart. Happy flying.