Review of Lufthansa flight from Frankfurt to San Francisco in Business

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LH - Lufthansa

Flight taken on 07 December 2024
LH454
10:05 11h 30m 12:35
Class Business
Seat -
NGO85
2,450 · 90 · 2 · 30

Background


This series covers a recent TATL trip. For the background on routing, please see the previous report.


After booking my flight, I was immediately proposed with an upgrade to F for $1,670. Since I would have no chance of using the FCT and the menu did not look compelling, I declined the offer since flying the upper deck of the Queen is special in its own right. Given the day of travel experience on this flight, I'm glad I didn't do it given the sour taste the transfer experience at FRA would have been left in my mouth.


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Routing


This report covers the 11h flight from Frankfurt to San Francisco to conclude this series:



Pre-Flight


We'll pick up this report at 09:05 as I arrive into FRA off my bus.


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As I turn the corner, I'm met with a wall of people. I go to the front to confirm that it is indeed the immigration line before joining the queue. It is an extremely slow slog up to where the immigration area actually is. There were no FRA staff around providing any information or keeping order since there were all kinds of people cutting lines. Eventually getting into the actual immigration area, it became evident that there were just 3 police working at the peak TATL departure block along with 2 FRA staff (not) controlling the flow of passengers. A total failure by FRA and another reminder why it should be avoided for international transfers whenever possible. I finally reached the police at 09:45 after waiting ~40 minutes to exit the Schengen zone.


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With boarding due to close at 09:50 and exiting immigration at 09:46, I slow the pace and take a leisurely walk to the far reaches of the Z gates expecting to be rebooked.


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A turn into the duty free zone.


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And then a turn towards the Z gates.


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At the far end of the terminal, we find Z25 and some agents still standing around. As I approached, one came out and talked to me confirming my name from a list and let me know the door has not closed yet so would let me board.


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Boarding


The walk downstairs to the jet bridge.


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I'll head straight to L2 to access the stairs for the upper deck.


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The only view I'll get of our Queen today. She will be D-ABYU and named Köln, a 2015-built B747-800 that was the final B747 that LH took delivery of. CA and KE are the only carriers with newer B747s in service.


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Fuselage shot ruined by rain.


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The FA didn't see me as I entered so I started up the stairs before he turned and asked me to come back to look at my boarding pass. He confirmed my seat before letting me go back up.


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Up we go.


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We arrive at the upper deck, which is already packed up and ready to go so I have to go rummage around the overhead bins looking for space for my bag. The FAs were all in the galley talking and didn't bother coming out to greet me or assist me.


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My seat in the last row (taken mid-flight).


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The communal foot cubbies on the B748 (the B744's variant has parallel seats with separated foot cubbies). My seat mate was not very tidy so I had to struggle to carefully climb over his stuff every time I wanted to go to the bathroom.


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Pre-placed in the seat cubby is the mattress pad and the small storage compartment contains a water bottle and Christmas themed amenity kit (contents same as in SFO-MUC).


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Pre-placed on the seat were pillow and blanket.


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The seat really lacks storage space, but getting an upper deck window seat corrects that by offering large bins that can fit all kinds of personal items as well as serving as an extra surface for storing service items or devices.


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Beneath the screen is a literature slot with duty free catalog and safety card.


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The center console is tiny so you will get very well aquatinted with your seat mate since they need to remove all items to even access your tray table or IFE remote.


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On the front of the console is your sole charging port, a 110V universal outlet.


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Inside the aforementioned console is the AKG headphones, IFE remote (mine was stuck and couldn't be taken out), and the tray table.


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After I settled in, the captain came on and confirmed boarding as complete, but cargo was still being loaded so it would be ~20 minutes before they could complete their paperwork and initiate push back. I used the time to nip back to the lavatory since I had no time to go to the bathroom in the terminal. The lavatory was standard, but did have a well stocked amenity tray as well as L'Occitane products.


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After using the lavatory, the FAs eventually came out to greet me and offered me a PDB, I took a water and Avionic. The packaged nuts were also handed out.


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Through the rain, I can see our twin next door.


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Eventually, we started our pushback at 10:33 and the safety video played.


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Great seeing so many Queens still serving FRA.


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We turned to align for take off on runway 25C and were barreling down the runway at 10:56, almost an hour late.


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Goodbye FRA.


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Always sunny over the clouds.


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I didn't go into any detail on the IFE, but the screen is small and low resolution (not surprising given the age of this hard product). The content is the same as on my SFO-MUC flight, but it uses the old interface seen in my MUC-FRA report that requires you to scroll through lists of items and since the screen is kind of far away, you need to use the remote to click through all the options. I did not watch anything and just set the IFE to the moving map.


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Meal service started with a hot towel.


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Linens were laid and I was asked what I wanted to eat by our FA, who was surprisingly an American. I responded asking for a menu, which was finally brought out.


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I'd seen the menu online, but wanted to confirm the appetizer options. Not sure what qualifies as "American snack specialities."


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The drinks selection is the same as last flight so please refer back to SFO-MUC for the full menu.


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On flights departing FRA/MUC, there is also a pre-order option on the web page. There are 3 additional mains available than what is included in the menu. The beef cheeks looked interesting, but since I wanted to try the goose (not available as a pre-order option), I decided to try my luck on board and not use this feature.


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A glass of Champagne Collery Blanc de Blancs Brut Grand Cru to accompany the amuse bouche as we exit the continent west of Hamburg.


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The starter and salad are served on a tray.


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Fresh Field Greens with Quinoa Lentils, Cucumber and roasted Pumpkin Seeds.


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Freshly baked Multi Grain Bread from World Baker Axel Schmitt.


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Saddle of Veal with Miso Eggplant, Oyster Mushroom and green Asparagus.


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I asked what the Vinothek option was for the flight and the FA looked confused and said she needed to ask. She eventually came back and said it was an Argentinian red from Mendoza, so I stuck with the Portuguese red on the menu. No effort was made to clean up the amuse bouche items by our FA.


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After the tray was cleared, orders for the main were taken.


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In honor of their holiday menu, I went with the Traditional Roast Goose with Red Cabbage and Potato Dumpling.


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After my plate was cleared, I was asked if I wanted cheese, dessert, or fruit. I asked for Fresh Fruit and Chocolate Hazelnut Cake with Blueberry and Raspberry Ragout, Almond Cream. She left without even asking me or my seat mate if we wanted drinks. I eventually waved down the FA from the forward cabin and she brought me an espresso and cognac. Lindt chocolates were handed out as the meal closed.


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Dusk over Greenland.


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Flying over Greenland on a clear day is always beautiful with the snow covered landscapes.


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Internet was available immediately after take-off and accessed through the portal. The rates are on the higher end in the current market at $35 for a full flight; however, for a long day time flight it was worthwhile. Speeds were okay during the flight and better than Panasonic systems.


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The less interesting topology of Canada as we come in over Nunavut.


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The FAs came up the cabin twice offering sandwiches, wraps, fruits, and desserts from trays and replenishing drinks. I eventually took a small crumble and a cup of coffee.


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Likely the Thelon River.


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More and more lakes visible as we reach Manitoba.


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The cabin mid-flight.


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About 2h to arrival, hot towels were handed out as the second service started as we were crossing Montana.


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Linens were laid.


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There were two options for the second meal, I opted for the warm option.


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My tray as received, which contained the main, dessert, and butter. Breads were offered from a basket.


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The main: Butter Chicken with spicy creamed Spinach served with Basmati Rice.


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After the meal, I requested a coffee.


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Chocolates were handed out as we crossed into California.


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Soon, we had reached the Pacific Ocean and started our turn to the south.


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Crossing into the Peninsula.


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Half Moon Bay.


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We made our u-turn near Mountain View on the typical flight path. SJC is visible near downtown San Jose.


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Crossing over the NASA Ames Research Center and Moffett Field.


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The Salt Ponds along East Bay.


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Fremont.


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Crossing over the San Mateo-Hayward Bridge.


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We touched down at 13:04 on runway 28L about 30 minutes late.


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BF A359 taking a break from its ORY-SFO-PPT rotation.


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We turn off towards Concourse G.


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The B748 is very long and when making turns it definitely has minimal clearance on all of the peripherals on the taxiways.


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The doors were quickly engaged and upstairs is given the priority to deplane through L2 so I step off the plane at 13:16.


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We arrived at G12 so have the long walk across the entire terminal to reach immigration.


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Global Entry will be empty as usual. From time stamps, I entered immigration at 13:21 and was exiting customs at 13:24 with no bags to collect. 20 minutes from wheels down to exiting customs is well done by SFO.


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I'll conclude this series here, thanks for stopping by!


Flight Information


Lufthansa, LH454
Equipment: Boeing B747-800 [D-ABYU “Köln”, delivered April 2015]
Departure: 10:05 (ATD: 10:56)
Arrival: 12:35 (ATA: 13:04)
Flight time: 11:08


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Product ratings

Airline

Lufthansa 6.3

  • Cabin5.0 / 10
  • Cabin crew5.0 / 10
  • Entertainment/wifi7.0 / 10
  • Meal/catering8.0 / 10
Departure airport

Frankfurt - FRA6.8

  • Efficiency3.0 / 10
  • Access7.0 / 10
  • Services9.0 / 10
  • Cleanliness8.0 / 10
Arrival Airport

San Francisco - SFO8.0

  • Efficiency9.0 / 10
  • Access6.0 / 10
  • Services9.0 / 10
  • Cleanliness8.0 / 10

Conclusion

This flight was a stark contrast to the SFO-MUC leg not just because of the hard product, but also the lackluster crew. I think LH can be forgiven for their old hard product considering they excel in soft product relative to UA, but on this flight it was really just the catering that stood out. There is not much to say about these cabins that hasn't already been said: they lack privacy and storage (other than on the upper deck window seats) making them essentially a glorified flat-bed W product. The FRA-based crew was poor for LH standards, no welcome on-board and messed up multiple meal/drink orders. The old IFE interface is way over engineered making it difficult to find content and the old screens are not bright/crisp making it hard to see the screen (these are only ~12" screens on par with newer Y products that are in the ~11" range), the Wi-Fi was decent. Catering was one area that LH was above average and I found the lunch service to be strong overall and the second meal was a substantial hot offering and better than what other carriers offer to the US. Considering they compete with UA and DE (seasonal) on this route, DE might be the best value until LH can consistently offer a better hard product.

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Comments (2)

  • I like that LH offer cash upgrades to F, and if you actually could use the FCT, then if would be kind of worth it for a once-in-a-long-time treat, but as you said, if you can't get the full experience, it's not worth shelling out an extra $1700

    We arrive at the upper deck, which is already packed up and ready to go so I have to go rummage around the overhead bins looking for space for my bag.

    As you said, it is special to fly on the upper deck of the Queen, especially in the post-pandemic world with so few of them left. BUT, this is one dense upper deck! I flew BA's 747s a ton in the upper deck pre-Covid, and even with their crappy ying-yang old Club World seats, it was more spacious and less densely packed in.

    My seat mate was not very tidy so I had to struggle to carefully climb over his stuff every time I wanted to go to the bathroom.

    Yeah, I just can't with these cabins...No way I would fly this product if flying alone. I can't stand the thought of having my feet literally a half inch from a stranger's...nope.

    This flight was a stark contrast to the SFO-MUC leg not just because of the hard product, but also the lackluster crew.

    And here I though LH were trying to consistently change for the better but nope.

    Except for the catering. That does appear to be getting consistently better. Yum, a goose dish...always love those more interesting proteins. Plus yes, very Christmas-y. And I always love curry or butter chicken on a plane! BA used to always have one on the meny, but it's been a good year since I've seen it.

    She left without even asking me or my seat mate if we wanted drinks. I eventually waved down the FA from the forward cabin and she brought me an espresso and cognac.

    I find this happening quite often lately. I wonder if cabin crew aren't instructed to do this to save on costs. They'll bring it to you on request, but they won't proactively offer. I've even had a few times where I've had to ask for a drink with the main as I wasn't served a new drink after the apéritif.

    I'm not a big LH expert but it always seems to be that MUC gets the better products, especially with the Allegris cabins and the various better-than-standard-LH-second-hand cabins they have out there. I wonder why that is...or maybe it's a false impression and they serve FRA just as much. Being that FRA is the financial capital of the EU basically, I would think they would put their best products to FRA as much as possible.

    Thanks for sharing!

    • Hi Kevin thanks for stopping by!

      BUT, this is one dense upper deck! I flew BA's 747s a ton in the upper deck pre-Covid, and even with their crappy ying-yang old Club World seats, it was more spacious and less densely packed in.

      Yes, 32 seats is a lot considering KE only has 22 up there. Even CA has a less dense configuration which says a lot.

      I can't stand the thought of having my feet literally a half inch from a stranger's...nope.

      Yes, even W provides more privacy. I only accepted this product since it was a day time flight so wouldn’t be sleeping, would never fly this on a redeye. Would rather starve on UA than do the footsie dance all night with a stranger.

      I find this happening quite often lately. I wonder if cabin crew aren't instructed to do this to save on costs.

      I think this was down to a sloppy crew member since she also had to return multiple times to confirm what we had ordered. The FA working the forward cabin was offering drinks.

      I'm not a big LH expert but it always seems to be that MUC gets the better products, especially with the Allegris cabins and the various better-than-standard-LH-second-hand cabins they have out there.

      That’s mainly the fact MUC has more “thin” routes to the US on smaller planes (B787/A350) whereas B747s operate out of FRA. Like SAN is only served by MUC so has better chance of getting Allegris. MUC is the better airport for transit experience, though has much fewer connections to France, which might be more relevant for you ;)

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